About the show
Go Between The Seams with the founders, leaders, builders and investors behind South Africa’s most ambitious businesses — and those behind some of the global companies shaping the future.
Episodes
(Season 1)

Building for the next frontier
The AI-first architecture: Ashley Martin (Superbalist) on agentic commerce and AI infrastructure
In the inaugural episode of Between The Seams, Stitch CTO Priyen Pillay is joined by Ashley Martin, CTO of Superbalist, to explore what it means to build a future-proof tech stack in the age of AI.
While many are still experimenting with chatbots, Ashley and Priyen dive into the deeper shift toward agentic commerce, which involves moving from prescriptive systems to flexible, autonomous environments. They discuss the “SpaceX approach” to engineering, the evolution from business intelligence to real-time operational intelligence and how to maintain a lean, elite technical team while navigating the rapid release cycles of modern LLMs.
This conversation is a masterclass in technical leadership, offering an inside look at how South Africa’s e-commerce giants are re-tooling their infrastructure to turn AI from a buzzword into a core operational engine.
Highlights
The shift to agentic AI
Why the future of retail isn't just “smarter search”, but autonomous agents that handle complex user intent.
The SpaceX engineering philosophy
How a “test-and-fail-fast” mindset applies to building retail infrastructure.
Data as the foundation
Why operational intelligence is the prerequisite for any successful AI implementation.
Human-in-the-loop
Navigating the trust gap between automated systems and human oversight.

Engineering trust at scale
The global lens on local innovation: PayPal Ventures’ Ashish Aggarwal on hyper-local credit and the death of the checkout app
In this episode, Stitch President and Co-founder Junaid Dadan sits down with Ashish Aggarwal, Partner at PayPal Ventures. With a portfolio of 85+ companies globally, Ashish provides a bird’s-eye view of how South Africa compares to emerging giants like India and the established markets of Europe. Together they dissect why global “one-size-fits-all” fintech models consistently hit a wall in emerging markets.
Drawing on PayPal’s global vantage point, Ashish explains why the next decade of South African fintech won’t be won by flashy consumer apps, but by the “invisible” infrastructure that bridges the local trust deficit. They dive into why BNPL is actually a data-gathering tool for financial inclusion, the shift toward agentic commerce — where AI handles user intent, and why the most successful fintechs are those that disappear into the background of a transaction. Ashish breaks down why the next wave of AI isn't just about cool interfaces — it’s about translating unstructured human intent into structured inventory data.
This conversation reveals the hyper-local realities of underwriting, why a global giant with billions can’t just “copy-paste” its way into the SA market and the move toward a truly unified commerce layer.
Highlights
The Hyper-Local Advantage
Why global “copy-paste” models struggle against locally rooted infrastructure like Stitch.
Invisible Payments
The “Uber-ization” of retail — making payments disappear into the background of the user experience.
The Trust Gap
Why the first transaction in SA is the hardest, and how “embedded trust” is replacing the traditional credit score.
The Death of the Destination App
Why consumers no longer want to go to a “fintech app” to shop, and how credit is becoming a feature, not a product.
AI as the New Storefront
How merchants are shifting their focus from SEO to “LLM discoverability”, ensuring their inventory is readable by the next generation of autonomous shopping agents.

Orchestrating the future of modern banking
The blueprint for digital-first payments architecture: SARB’s Arif Ismail on Central Bank innovation, cross-border payments, and interoperable infrastructure
In this episode, Stitch Co-founder and President Junaid Dadan sits down with Arif Ismail, Head of the National Payment System Department (NPSD) at the South African Reserve Bank (SARB). As central banks worldwide face the realities of rapid fintech evolution, South Africa’s regulatory landscape has quietly positioned itself at the cutting edge of infrastructure modernization. They break down what it takes to build and manage a financial system that balances system safety with aggressive, consumer-led innovation.
Arif pulls back the curtain on the macro pressures driving the evolution of local payment systems. They look deeply into the rollouts of modern settlement networks, the critical imperative of true system interoperability and why reducing friction in cross-border payments is essential for regional economic growth. Arif also unpacks how regulators view the rise of digital assets and decentralisation, emphasizing that the modern central bank’s job is no longer just to oversee risk, but to actively build the rails that allow the broader fintech ecosystem to thrive safely.
This conversation offers a deeper look at the foundational systems required to support the next wave of financial technology across the continent.
Highlights
Regulating for inclusivity and innovation
Why modern financial supervision has shifted from purely mitigating risk to actively fostering an open, competitive marketplace for alternative payment providers.
The interoperability mandate
How breaking down data silos and enforcing unified standards across commercial and digital platforms lays the foundation for all modern transactional networks.
Overhauling cross-border rails
Addressing the systemic frictions of regional money movement and how modernized clearing networks are lowering transaction costs across African borders.
The Central Bank’s digital frontier
How SARB approaches the paradigm shift of decentralized infrastructure, digital asset frameworks, and the long-term technical evolution of fiat currencies.

Beyond the pharmacy counter

Beyond the pharmacy counter
What’s next in modern healthcare: Dis-Chem X, Bigly Labs’ Aliyah Allie on nurse-led models and modernising 40 years of legacy technology
Stitch President Junaid Dadan sits down with Aliyah Allie, Managing Director of X, Bigly Labs (Dis-Chem Group’s innovation hub), to discuss the high-stakes digital transformation of one of South Africa’s most essential retail organizations.
Aliyah pulls back the curtain on how Dis-Chem is tackling the country’s massive healthcare accessibility gap. They move beyond the protein powder aisles to dissect the “spoeg en plak” reality of maintaining 40-year-old legacy systems while building the health center of the future. Aliyah shares deep insights into their unique nurse-led clinic model, the intricate challenge of rebuilding pharmacy software that dates back to the seventies, and why purposeful friction—or “healthy conflict”—between innovation hubs and the mothership is the only way to move at the speed of customer expectation.
From the ethics of Agentic AI in clinical settings to the simple power of “dog-fooding”, this conversation speaks to the importance of modernizing complex, highly regulated enterprise infrastructure without losing sight of the human on the other side of the counter.
Guests
(Season 1)






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